Details Emerge As Kirk Assassin Charged, Pam Bondi's Hate Speech Slip, And Erika's Debate Experience

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Tyler Robinson has officially faced charges. We're going to go through the charges. There's also been charges against this guy, George Zinn, who... The more I dig into them, the crazier it gets, but we're going to be talking about that as well, and then some ABC coverage of those events as well. I'm going to allude to that. Love boats. It was crazy. Exciting. Oh, boy. So, the next part, I think, is proper response, and I've seen a lot of commentators talk about it online, but we're starting to get some more from officials in the Trump administration.

I would say ranging from Pam Bondi and hate speech to, say, J.D. Vance. And attacking NGOs. We're going to kind of get the range of those reactions, and then some of the mainstream ones as well, I think as a way to go forward.

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I am referring to George Zinn. I believe he yelled out, shoot me, I did it, and some more details have come to light after he's been taken into custody. So, I have the full clip here. It's a little bit long. I'm just going to go through the counts that he's being charged with. He was charged on Tuesday. He appeared in front of a judge in a suicide prevention vest in custody. Oh, wow. He did say his name, yeah. He did tell his dad he was considering it before he turned him in.

So, the counts here are aggravated murder, capital offense. Count two, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury. Count three, obstruction of justice, disposing a gun. Count four, obstruction of justice, disposing of clothing. Count five, witness tampering, directing roommate to delete text, which you'll see in the text chain I'm going to come up with here. Count six, witness tampering, directing roommate not to discuss with police. And count seven, commission of a violent offense in the presence of a child.

So, I actually have the text in text form. It was read out during this press conference, but I'll show it here. Yeah, I mean, personally, I'm going to read them. They're not graphic, but, you know, I can't believe that people took different conclusions, I guess, from this, but I'll just read a little bit of it.

So, from Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while, not longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still, to be honest. I'd hope to keep this secret until I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you.

Roommate, you weren't the one who did it right, question mark. Robinson, I am. I'm sorry. Roommate, I thought they caught the person. Robson, no. They grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I plan to grab my rifle. From my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

Why? Why did I do it? Yeah, I had enough of this hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they will have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. He continues on. He eventually says, He said, right, this is an exchange with his roommate, who he's romantically involved with, who is transitioning from male to female, so a biological man.

From Robinson, delete this exchange. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle, and it's very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering. Robinson, since Trump got into office, my dad has been a pretty diehard mega. Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. You are all I worry about, love. Then the roommate, I'm much more worried about you, Robinson.

Don't talk to the media, please. Don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. That is from Discord. Yeah. I don't, I mean. You know, in general, I think criminals tend to be stupid, and so, like, you know, do you not realize that anything you text is, you know, is basically a written record, and they can use that against you in a court of law? So, that is why, actually, I kind of agree with Matt Walsh.

In that it seems like he had done this all so that he could exonerate his roommate and only be the only person to take the fall for the murder, because maybe he and his roommate or his lover or whatever actually wanted to, you know, we're both in on it, but then maybe he's like wanting to take the fall himself. Who knows? I mean, what else could explain other than just idiocy?

People just, sometimes criminals are dumb, and they're just like, oh, yeah, you know, delete all these texts. Don't talk to them. What? I did it. It's just crazy. Yeah, for someone who lives such an online life to not realize that, like, this is a permanent record. Like, yeah, you can delete it from your, but, like, the company can still go back and pull the record and see it. And so, that part, and then just, like, the way that it reads. Sorry, before you get on to more of the way that it reads, Discord said that it conducted an internal investigation and said they hadn't found anything.

And then the FBI came and released this. So, someone... No, I think the roommate is cooperating with authorities. Right, the roommate is now cooperating with authorities, but Discord said, no, we had nothing to do with this, we did our investigation, whatever.

That was kind of, I don't know, it was frustrating how all this was rolled out, and maybe this is just, you know, I'm kind of new to this type of event, but it just seems like everyone threw stuff out. I saw that Wall Street Journal and another major news publication have retracted accounts from, say, a person who went to high school with them or whatever. And they're like, oh, the bullet casing transcriptions disprove something else, so we just took it down, but it's almost like, well, you didn't help anyone at this point by fanning the flames during a very sensitive time for America during a literal manhunt.

I think it was within the 33 hours, so anyway, sorry, Erika, I interrupted you. I was just going to say that it reads to, I mean, if the point was to exonerate the roommate, this is just. It reads so strangely. It's like, oh, I noticed you making engravings on your bullet casings. Is that what this was about? And you're like, what? You didn't think something was going on? And then the whole, my old man, he's got an Omega. It reads like I put into chat GPT, like for give me a TV script for like CSI of a guy who's in cahoots with his roommate and wants to have something there.

It reads so fake to me. Is this even how these guys talk on Discord? This is weird. So, the whole thing is bizarre, but bottom line is, to me, the whole line of why he did it. I mean, we know why he... We can make a very educated... projection as to why this man did it, and then to have this be like, well, he was so full of hate, and there's some hate that can't be negotiated. It's basically, I did it to shut him up, because Charlie Kirk- Well, it was a political murder.

It was a political murder, for sure. But, like, you talked about hate, but that's not what some mainstream media outlets are- No, no, it's- And again, because people are talking about this in the chat, this is just the official narrative that's been put out by the FBI and then the state of Utah.

There still are a lot of things that don't make a ton of sense to me. I mean, the outfit change, taking apart the gun so fast. There is still a ton that does not make sense. Just from a casual observer, I do not have any law enforcement experience, but you just have to report on what is being told to us right now, and this is what is being told to us, and I agree, it does read like a script, whether who wrote it or not, I do not know, but this ABC...

So, okay, we are now all in mainstream news reacting to this now official narrative. This is what ABC thought would be appropriate. I can't even... An alleged murder. With such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it, but also, it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning, calling him, my love, and I want to protect you, my love.

So, it was this duality of someone who the... The attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David. I mean, if someone murdered this guy's mom.

You know, we'd be like, well, I don't know. He wrote really nice love letters to, you know, his mistress. Right. Like, what the hell is with this guy? What is wrong? Why is ABC, you know, ABC should have been like, oh, thanks, bro. Let's go to commercial, and then, like, not put that SOB on air ever again. Fired, yeah. And then, like, at the end of the program, go, yeah, that was weird. Sorry. That does not represent ABC News, but they didn't do that because they don't, you know.

For them, it was a distraction. It didn't just stop with him. Montel Williams was on CNN. Yeah, I was just going to bring in Montel. He mentioned the same thing. Like, oh, so, I mean, it's a tragic love story. Like, what are you talking about? Wait, that's what he said? Well, he said. Not those exact words, but he's, I mean, he's like, he's trying to build sympathy for this murderer because he had love for a transvestite furry. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'm not, if someone is in love with a transvestite furry, I'm like, okay, you're gay, and you're into, you got a weird kink.

That doesn't make me think better of you, but you're a murderer! Erika, let me ask you a very specific question. Ask me a very specific question. Thank you, because I actually, I've wrestled with this myself. The first reaction is you laugh or you cry, and then you want to make a kind of a joke about it, basically, on Twitter, of like, you're turning this into a Netflix rom-com? I mean, this is like a politically motivated assassination, based on what we know, in America.

And this isn't like... If someone's 10-person Twitter stream, this is mainstream news. You're held to higher standards. So, what could possibly even be the motivation here to paint this in any light? Just add that extra commentary instead of just reporting the true facts. So, I think that commentator Walter Kern got this right. This is on Twitter last night. He was like, and I'm just going to read his tweet because he got this. He says, here's how this will play out. This directly answers your question.

Here's the meta script, and please don't laugh it off. How this all started is not how it will end. A story that began with a clear traditional moral shape. An innocent victim, a vile perpetrator, will be transformed using secondary characters, new revelations, and other dramatic elements into its very opposite. A story of forbidden love. Next step, persecution by religious bigots. A poignantly rebellious, heartfelt protest against a world that just doesn't understand. And then there will be a total split, far deeper than mere politics, between the segments of the public that were captivated by two incommensurate tragedies.

And I think that this is exactly what is going on here. This is the first play in how the script's going to go in the mainstream media. And of course, it's going to be, he never would have shot Charlie if those religious bigots didn't know what he was doing. If his MAGA parents hadn't been so against the love of his life, it's going to be this story of romance, star-crossed lovers, Romeo and Juliet all over again, and you can just watch it happen.

And what's that going to do? That is going to further drive the divide in America that everyone's calling for unity now, but that's going to be, I can already tell you, half my extended family is going to go. That direction, and the other half is the other, and it just continues to divide, and we have to resist that outcome.

It's possible. I just think it's more like just what we call on the internet, S-posting, S-H-I-T-posting. You're just literally throwing so much at, you know. You're just throwing chicken and gorilla feces. You're just throwing so much stuff to confuse everyone about what's going on. You're like, wait, what, what, what, what? So that you need to avoid clear answers from this case, if you're the left. You don't want the simple truth, which is, Charlie Kirk was a passionate, free-speech defender who would go in front of, you know, very large, hostile, negative crowds and would talk about The importance of conservative politics, but primarily, Christianity is still being the number one thing, and he was murdered in cold blood by somebody who apparently absolutely hates Christians and hates conservatives, and that is such an obvious, simple truth that the media has to, I mean, what they do with the shooting in Minneapolis, they find out it is a trans, they try to get that off the front page as fast as possible.

Right? Tennessee shooting. Oh my gosh, school shooting. They want to make a lot of noise about it because they can talk about how guns are bad. Oh wait, he's transvestite. Then they don't want to talk about it anymore. But it's harder to not talk about this one because it's everywhere. He was a celebrity. He was beloved by millions of people. And the president is going to be at the remembrance thing here in Phoenix. And so the left is like, gosh, I'd love to just bury this story.

They can't. They're sitting in the kitchen sink at this, so people are like, wait, what? They all get confused or whatever? And I do think it adds to the disunity in our country. It's absolutely vile and appalling. I just don't know how well it'll work. It'll work for, it's not half the country. I mean, it feels like we're divided half and half. It's not quite. It's going, you know, but these lies will darken. Yeah, and then you get this thing about George Zinn, which was interesting.

So, we have the clip of the arrest immediately after he just yelled, you know, I did it, I did it, this is George Zinn here. He got tackled and taken away in the picture. So, he's a 71-year-old man. Uh, he... He was at the rally. He was at the rally. Down on the grass, yep. And apparently he's kind of known for showing up at just about everything. Like, he shows up at all kinds of political events. Gadfly. Yeah. And so, after they searched his phone and found 20 images of child sexual abuse material.

So, now, on top of distracting from the killer, he also had child porn on his phone. He spent a lot of time in jail, but I guess he cashed checks from disability while he was in jail to make money to go on to the next thing.

What is going on here? I don't even... That is really strange, man. I've seen a theory out here that he was potentially on... Again, this is a total theory, but that he was on the Discord channel, or one of the Discord channels that were kind of aware of what was going on here, so he could show up and support. Listen, I don't know. It doesn't... It's crazy to me that anyone's first instinct would be like, hey, shoot me. I did it.

I don't know, man. There's a lot. There's a lot here that I don't understand. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's not. It's senseless, I guess. It's not, again, like this man seems to, the more we find out about him, like Robinson, he seems to have, as a 71-year-old, lived this very online life, right, including his sex life was all online. And all of this, like, bizarre sex stuff with the whole thing is very dark and speaks to a real spiritual warfare, I think, that's going on here.

But this older man, he's on discord with these younger people. He has this porn on his phone, and... Not just porn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, not just that. Rot under a jail type stuff. Yeah, exactly. And I think, and then he shows up at these rallies in real life, and bizarre behavior erupts. I don't think that's senseless at all. I think it's perfectly predictable. And he said he wanted to, as soon as Charlie got shot, he wanted to, like, make a gesture so that the real shooter...

We have time to get away, and the police would be looking at someone else, and so he starts shouting. He goes up to a police officer and starts shouting, and sure enough, it was a distraction. Yeah, the whole thing is just so twisted and dark. It is hard to keep your eyes on it for too long. I mean, he admitted to the police that he intentionally did it to distract from the real issue. Yeah, no, I did it to distract. He is going back to jail.

Like, he is going back to jail for hopefully a very long time. He spent a lot of time there. I mean, we are getting all these eye-opening things. I mean, like the fact that tens of thousands of people are celebrating the murder of a political opponent on social media, that has been absolutely illuminating and terrifying. That's one guy in the crowd who was like a hippie who like cheered. Yeah, he was like, rock out.

Like, that's just astounding. And then this guy would intentionally do this to make the police investigate. I mean, again, it's opening up a lot of people's eyes to a lot of darkness that are in the hearts of a lot of Americans. And boy, if we don't need renewal. Boy, if we don't need prayer.

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Thank you, Home Title Lock. Sweet. I have an all-time tweet here, if you'd like to wrap it up. Oh, boy, let's do it. I love an all-time tweet. And the information diet we're going through right now. Really not sure who to trust here. The deranged hobo podcasters who are clearly just making things up, or the established, educated, credentialed, mainstream media with official editorial standards and practices, and entire fact-checking apparatuses who are also making things up. Oh, Jarvis. I do love a good Jarvis.

That's how it feels. I'm like, I got ABC on one hand, making it into a gay romance, and then I got, you know, we got podcasters shouting from the clouds about what's going on. It's like... Man, I can't talk against podcasters because we are them. No, no, that's better.

That was the thing, like, when, you know, blogging started, you know, to come of age, you know, right after 9-11, in a big way, and the first scalp was Dan Rather, because Dan Rather put out that thing against George W. Bush, that letter that proved that, you know, he dodged the draft or whatever, and, like, the bloggers went through, and they found out, like, yeah, dude, that was not. There is no typewriter in 1972 that could have done this. This literally was Microsoft Word.

They proved it. Dan Rather's career was toast, which is just beautiful. They got mad at this because they were like, wait a minute, just anyone in their pajamas could just think that they have the right to talk about information and news, and so that is why conservatives adopted that. That is why there is a website called... You know, the PJ Media or whatever. PJ Media. All that stuff or whatever. I forget the name. Like, yeah, you know what? We embrace it.

Screw you. Like, we don't have to ask permission. You know, there's no permission structure for the First Amendment. The freedom of the press is for everyone, bro. Sorry. Well, unless it's hate speech, then it goes afoul. Oh, yeah. He did it. He did the transition. Let's do it. So, there's been two responses to how do we go forward from an administrative level on a government level to exercise rightful authority. To prevent things like Charlie Kirk happening in the future, and there's robust debate about it, and I think that's good.

I cannot believe that the top lawyer in the country uttered this phrase, but I'll play this. This is also how hilarious, like, the world we live in now. She said it on a podcast. She said it on Katie Miller's podcast, which is, she's the wife of... So, Stephen Miller, who's also in the administration, just, this is where we're at. This is on the podcast. This is from Pam Bondi. Here you go. There's free speech, and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society.

Do you see... More law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people, so we show them that some action is better than no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle. There's free speech.

Okay. So, I think it is at a time of considerable national division. Let us just think about this. You have got conservative MAGA types like Matt Walsh. You have never Trumpers like Eric Erickson. You've got, you know, liberals like Ro Khanna and, you know, communists like Matt Iglesias. They all came together, as my friend noted. They all were united in denouncing Pam Bondi for this ridiculous notion.

It united the nation. It did. It really did. It did unite the nation. Coming together. It was refreshing to go on Twitter and see the reactions. ...to this, and the almost universal denouncing of, wait a minute, and the almost universal posting of Charlie Kirk's own ex-post from just a few months ago saying, there is no such thing as hate speech in our country.

High design. Now, Eric Erickson and Matt Walsh on the conservative side of things are being absolutely, totally consistent. They've always believed this. We have always been against hate speech. Whereas the left, they're like... Oh, yeah, this is an opportunity to jump on Pan Bondi, but it's like, they'll still turn around and say, bake the cake, damn it.

Where are your pronouns? All right, all right. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't be coy about that. I mean, first off, you know, why is what you said wrong, according to our Constitution? And then, two, what is the bake the cake controversy that you're referencing there? Okay, so the bake the cake controversy is when a bunch of gay activists would go to Christian...

...bakers and force them to bake cakes with political messages like, celebrate gay marriage, or whatever it is, and the bakers are just like, I really don't want to do this. There's like hundreds of bakers in this town in Denver. Can you just go to someone else, please? And like, no!

That is discrimination. You have to bake my cake. Colorado Civil Rights Commission came after Christian Bakers for this, and the conservatives are like, wait a minute now. Don't you as a business have the right to engage in speech and the right to refuse to do business with people? Why are you compelled to do this? And so, when just the other day, Home Depot in my state here in Michigan, one of the employees refused to publish. This candlelight vigil flyer. And you're like, oh my gosh, that's really horrendous.

It was Office Depot, yeah. And people on Twitter were like, Home Depot, are you really? Not Home Depot, Office Depot. Office Depot, how could you not print this? That's like so unreal. And Office Depot's like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Yeah, no, my bad. That person's been fired. That's not, they went against the guidelines of our company.

Absolutely sorry about that, whatever. Case closed, we're done. There's nothing to be, but that's the example, Office Depot. That Pam Bondi said, well, we're going to investigate office people. No, you don't have to investigate them. We don't need the government involved in this. Polite society, the free market, shunning people who are doing really bad things, that's what that's for. We don't need the office of the Attorney General of the United States to be involved in this. You know what I want you to focus on?

Violence against Catholic churches. So, what is the argument here? In her mind, hate speech is not tolerable because it's not protected by the First Amendment. She's dead, dead wrong on this. You can say vile things, okay? You can say, I think Charlie Kirk was bigoted, racist, evil. You can even say, I think, you know, I'm not sad that he died.

That is all actual protective free speech. Now, if you say some of that stuff, Your employer might say, we don't want to have you here anymore because you just announced to the world you're kind of a jerk, but it's not illegal. The moment it crosses into actual incitement of violence, and it has to be specific, it has to be pretty specific, too. If you say, I want other conservative pundits murdered.

Well, then, yes, you are going to get that knock on the door from the FBI, but it has to be specific, because there was an employee who once made it, after President Reagan, there was the attempt on his life in 1981, and one employee actually said, oh, gosh, too bad they missed, which is a reprehensible thing to say, but that person did not actually incite violence, and so that person was not.

Prosecuted, okay? Now, that person's employer could decide to get rid of them or whatever. That's fine. But it's not an incitement to violence. You can't prosecute that person. Now, if you said, well, that guy failed, I'm going to do it, that's incitement to violence, and that's illegal. And so, she tried to backtrack on this a little bit and said, well, what I was getting at was inciting violence. Well, then say that, because the hate speech stuff you're saying is a bunch of crap that has been used to bully conservatives left and right.

For years. I mean, yeah. It's shocking to me that she would not know that. Hate speech, that phrase, is a buzzword. It's like assault weapon. Assault weapon is not a real classification of firearm. It's a term that was made up to vilify specific types of weapons. In this case, hate speech has been used against conservatives for how many years? I mean, think about the Southern Poverty Law Center. Of course, now there's debate about which side is more violent, and someone came up with a new graph showing that the right is way more violent.

But then you dug into who was reporting on these events, and it's the Southern Poverty Law Center that is basically making up new bars to cross. I think one of theirs was like a homeless person went into a hotel, said a racial slur, and slapped an employee, and they're like, right-wing violence. These people are so unserious, but it's like that is how the Southern Poverty Law Center and places like that have operated. I mean, haven't they charged Family Research Council as being a hate group?

Yeah, and somebody was inspired by that map and went into it. and try to shoot people up, and he shot the guard that was marching. Our good friend Tom McCluskey was working there that day. It could have been a slaughter.

Yeah, I mean, this matters. So, like the Southern Poverty, that is what I am getting at. You know what, Pam Bondi, by the way, if you do not turn this around, you should just be fired, because this is absolutely asinine.

What you should be focusing on is exactly what Tom is getting at, the Southern Poverty Law Center, these organizations that are fomenting hate with their hate maps, and they said Family Research Council was full of hate, because they believed in traditional marriage.

They actually put Turning Point USA on the hate map just recently. Right, and not only that, but these organizations that are receiving taxpayer dollars through grants, or they have non-profit status, so they get a tax break. Those are the legal mechanisms for going after these groups that can be tied directly to the bullet that killed Charlie Clark, and that is the mechanism. And I think Pam Bondi, she is a highly… She's a highly trained and accomplished lawyer. She's been practicing for many years.

She's a lot older than she looks, and she is responsible for the words coming out of her mouth. And like you said, Josh, if you meant inciting violence, you should have said that. That was on purpose. She said hate crime on purpose. This is, again, she's a highly trained, highly intelligent woman, and she should be held accountable for this. That kind of speech from the administration should not be part of the conversation. Following Charlie Kirk's assassination, the temperature is very, very high, and it is an inflection point in American history, and how the administration responds is going to reverberate down the decades.

And so, it is very important that they tighten this up, and they turn to voices. I see you have Steve Miller up here on the screen. We have J.D. Vance coming up. The administration needs to unify its messaging and get behind voices like these. Not behind what Pam Bondi is representing right now. Yeah, here's to even know. Just to re-hit what Tom said, she is the top cop. She's the top law enforcement official. It's not like it was a congressman from, you know, Texas who kind of popped off.

It wasn't a podcast. Or even like the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Like, this is, like, the president, the vice president, the attorney general, the FBI director, those are the people that absolutely have to get this right. Don't give me this hate speech garbage. As Charlie Kirk said, hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech. All of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free.

Yeah, here's what Stephen Miller had to say on it. Where the left calls people enemies of the republic, calls them fascists, says they're Nazis, says they're evil, says they have to be removed, and then prints their addresses. What do you think they're trying to do? They are trying to inspire someone to murder them. That is their objective. That is their intent. And when you see online, Sean, as we've seen for the last few days, tape after tape after tape of federal workers, bureaucrats, staffers in the Pentagon, educators, professors, healthcare workers, nurses, celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

These are radicalized people. There is a domestic terrorism movement in this country, and let me tell you something I'm not sure with anybody, but the last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on The radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us. And we are going to do that under President Trump's leadership.

I don't care how. It could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge. Conspiracy against the United States, insurrection, but we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism, and that are committing acts of wanton violence. It has to stop, and my message is, to all of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate, you want us to live in fear? We will not live in fear, but you will live in exile.

Okay, so again, that is so much better than what Pam Bonney was getting at. Inciting violence, doxing people in hopes that those people will suffer at the hands of violence. That is the kind of stuff you should do. Not going after Office Depot for not printing a flyer. Focus, people. You have got to get this right. Yeah, absolutely.

We shall see. Let's go into the good news now. Erika, you're up first. All right. I'm going to go with, this is a little timeline cleanse kind of thing. Episode cleanse. This is so cute. We have, okay, wait, my computer's not loading. Ah, okay. Francisco Lindor, we had the Mets game, and I just want you to just play this. You don't have to do the sound, but so Francisco Lindor, play for the Mets.

His wife is playing the violin. She's a professional, and she played the national anthem, and I just love his face here. Like, look at him. He's holding their baby. He has their other two small children with him, and he's like, Mommy, and they're like, Mommy. And if this isn't the America we're fighting for, what is? I mean, this is great. Big time timeline cleanse there. Get you a man who looks at you. He chokes up. He's just so proud of his wife, and he's just.

And normally, he's in the limelight, and she's now in the limelight, and he's loving it. Come on, look at that. I'd love to see that. Great moment. This is American baseball at its best. Thank you for that, Erika. Yeah. Thank you for that. Josh, good news. Today is Constitution Day, so I thought I would share with you a little history.

Yes. It was on this day that the Constitutional Convention was finished. And Ben Franklin got up, and you can imagine the admiration that people have for him. He was the oldest member of the Constitutional Convention, you know, and so much respect that people had for him, and he actually didn't deliver this speech because he was too old. He handed the speech to his fellow delegate, James Wilson, who delivered it on his behalf. I'm just going to read it a little bit.

That was whiskey for the audio. Yeah, a little whiskey, but it was shot, and here's the chaser. I confess that I do not entirely approve of this Constitution at present, but sir, I am not sure I shall never approve it. For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obligated by better information or I have experienced many instances of being obligated by better information or Fuller consideration to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise.

It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men, indeed, as well as most sects and religion, pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men, indeed, sorry.

Think that most religious sects think of themselves in possession of all truth. That is what I was supposed to say. There you go. And that whenever others differ from them, it is so far error. Steele, a Protestant in a dedication, tells the Pope that the only difference between our two churches is their opinion of the certainty of their doctrine. The Roman Church is infallible, and the Church of England is never in the wrong.

But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of their own religious sect, few express it so naturally as a certain French lady, who in a little dispute with her sister said, I don't know how it happens, sister, but I meet with nobody but myself that is always in the right.

Gotta love the humor. In these sentiments, sir, I agree to the Constitution with all its faults, if there are such, because I think a general government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but that may be a blessing to the people if well-administered, and I believe further, it is likely to be well-administered for a course of years.

And can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other. I doubt, too, whether any convention we can obtain may be able to make a better constitution, for when you assemble a number of men to have advantage, To have the advantage of their own joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men all of their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views.

From such an assembly, can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, sir, to find this system approaching so near perfection as it does, and I think it will astonish our enemies. Who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded, like those the builders of Babel, and that our states are on the point of separation, only to meet thereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats.

Thus, I consent, sir, to this Constitution, because I expect no better, and because I am sure That it is not the best. The opinions I've had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. He goes on for a little bit more, but I just thought that was quite, quite beautiful.

I think it would have hit a lot harder if you were wearing a wig. I get you that. George Mason still did not sign it. He became an anti-Federalist. I respect him. Eldridge Jerry, or Gary, who became famous for gerrymanders, also said, nah, I can't sign this. But I just thought that was so well stated.

Happy Constitution Day. Thank you, Ben Franklin. Fun fact, Benjamin Franklin, maybe he was doing this as a joke, but did advocate for the national bird to be a turkey. He did not like the bald eagle because it's scavenged.

They're omnivores. Speaking of having to do extreme things in our country, so Trump is sending the National Guard to Memphis, and I think it's Operation Viper. He signed a memorandum September 15th ordering the deployment of the National Guard, several other law enforcement agencies to Memphis, Tennessee, citing the city's crime rate.

This is one of those crazy things where there's just a moment where you realize that we've accepted a level of insanity for so long, and it actually hasn't so long, but it hasn't gone on as long as you think.

So, what is he talking about? FBI data showing that Memphis recorded the nation's highest violent and property crime rates in 2024, along with the third highest murder rate. The fact sheet said 150 murders in 2025, with a murder rate of about four times higher than Mexico City. Mexico, and 27 times higher than Havana, Cuba.

Whoa. And the city faces challenges like gang activity, approximately 182 gangs with 8,400 members, poverty at 25% rate, double the U.S. average. Now, I went to look into it a little bit. Just to see, like, okay, travel to Memphis. What do people expect? And I got, Memphis is not safe overall. It's ranked as the number one most dangerous large U.S. city for violent crime, with a one in ten chance of victimization citywide. However, it's improving safer pockets exist, but they suggested to, one, avoid high-risk areas, steer clear of downtown at night, Fraser and South Memphis, stick to East Memphis, Midtown, or suburbs.

Tips, use ride shares, travel in groups, avoid flashing valuables. And check real-time alerts via MPD. Sounds fun. Yeah, like, none of this screams, like, how you should probably live, and I hate the justification that you're just like, well, that's just life in a big city. That's just life in a big city. It was not like this. We don't have to live like this. No. And Memphis is like... It's like I'm going to Baghdad.

Exactly. It's a great example to start with, because you have a governor who's on board. You've got Bill Lee who's on board, who's welcomed in, was a part of the press conference. Even the Democrat mayor, I think he threw up kind of weak protests. But at the end, it was kind of like, I'm actually looking forward to collaborating, but I mean, who's the biggest people to convince? And yes, I know this is from the Rapid Response account, but they went on the ground and interviewed people in Memphis, and let's not be sure this year.

That's a happy picture. This is the wrong one. But you're right that they got the governor involved, because they said Trump was always going to send it to Chicago, which is like a blue city with a blue governor. Like, oh, this is just an attack. By Trump to end crime on Dems, and it's like, well, look, he's going to a service station, and you know, it's just so dangerous that you can't get out of your car, you can't go to the grocery store, you can't go to the market or the service station.

So, yeah, I want to see the crime stop, and if the National Guard is going to stop the crime, bring them out. There you go. And then this one was good, too. One life. We need help. If you could say one life, one life. I'm happy with it. People could be concerned that it's not normal to see militarized people out on the street. No, it's not. It's not normal, but I mean, that's what it takes. That's what it takes. They have to do what they can to kind of take back control of the city.

Yeah, you know what else isn't normal? It's like everyone getting- Rampant crime! Right? It's not normal. It's not normal. Yeah. It's just unbelievable, the people pushing back on this. And again, I watched it on CNN, the commentator being like, well, it's good we're going to bring crime down. But, we should be careful that we do it in a safe way. I'm like... Their only argument, though, is that it's like, well... With this militarization, it is like, listen, the National Guard was not meant to be an arm of the Pentagon.

It was initially meant for circumstances like this, where cities are overrun with crime, or if there is a hurricane and you need to establish law and order. That is what the National Guard was all about. Every state had a National Guard, and we just started using them to fight our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq all the time, so that we just think, oh, it is just another function of our. Our U.S. military, and we're not supposed to have, because of posse comitatus, we're not supposed to have the United States Army in the United States, because those are for fighting wars, and therefore, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The National Guard is exactly what this is for. This is the perfect example. Yeah. I found some vintage postcards of Memphis, which I think just speak to it being really beautiful. You look at the architecture and the building. It reminds me of, like, you can go find vintage footage of San Francisco in the 40s and 50s. In LA, downtown LA. Yeah, and like, yeah, I mean, this is what it used to look like. Dude, I was there in the 90s. It was awesome.

Yeah. Not long ago. Not long ago it looked like this. And you're right, you do need a force more powerful than the local gangs that are clearly running what's going on. When you have 8,600 gang members warring in an American city, that is kind of like Afghanistan-level violence. Like you said, Josh, that's what the National Guard's for. And yeah, we don't want militarization on our domestic soil, but the fact is, there is a war going on in Memphis, and people are getting slaughtered.

Yeah. What it takes to fight it back. Chicago's nickname. What's Chicago's nickname, Erika? Let's trust her street knowledge. Uh-oh. I don't know Chicago. Chicago? Chicago's nickname? Yeah. Chicago's nickname? Chirac. Chirac. Apt comparison you made to the Middle East on the other one, but Chicago's got a rep. For sure. We should demand more. We should demand more of our cities.

The question we face when it comes to all things, you know, violence in our communities, you know, political violence like Charlie Kirk, it's like, do we still have the capacity at self-government? And for the most part, obviously, I want as much self-government as possible. But there are times where you look at cities like Memphis and Chicago where they're just overrun by violence, and the political leaders are too corrupt.

A lot of conservative Catholics think of subsidiarity as an opportunity to move things closer to local government, and that is usually the case because we have had a federal government that has exhumed way too much power in the last 100 years. But there are occasions where subsidiarity also works the other way, when the local areas are completely unable to respond effectively, and they have lost control, and you do need state and federal officials to come in and try to… Fix things, and obviously, this would be an example, sending in the National Guard for It's actually quite heroic.

Like, if you're basically liberating or Rescuing Memphis. Let's do it. Let's do it. Erika, you attended a debate. I want to hear about it. I did, yeah. I was out last night down in New Haven, and I got to watch Lila Rose debate Frances Kisling, I'll tell you who she is in a minute, at the Yale Political Union. It was quite the Experience. I've been to these debates before. I actually talked about one with Leo Labresco-Sargent about natalism a year ago, I think, and this was, for me, I felt like I was walking in all the stats that we've been talking about, like the young people, young men especially, the times they are changing.

So, Lila Rose, obviously, for the pro-life side, Frances Kisling, who is a… A very elderly now pro-abortion activist who very proudly wears her Catholicism on her sleeve, they debated. There were students who stood up as well. Part of the format is that the guests give their speeches, they answer some questions from the audience, they speak to each other, but then students who are part of the Yale Political Union stand up for each side and give their own speeches. And then the students in the audience vote at the end.

Who had the stronger argument is supposed to be what the vote is. In this case, we had a vote last night. Of 60 to 31. 60 in favor of the pro-life argument. Wow. And it is hard to articulate for anyone who doesn't live and walk around Yale's campus all the time and live in the deep blue state how shocking this was. Lila said on her Twitter feed, she was talking to the organizer, the student organizer, later that night. He was shocked that this was the outcome.

So, I want to give you a quick outline of what I heard. I feel like I was living through the 80s and 90s again. So, her whole argument, she comes out, she starts well in red. She calls herself the cardinal for choice. She wears her Catholicism. I went to Catholic for my whole life. I was in the convent for three years, and I left the convent. She became an abortionist, actually, before abortion was legal. She performed abortions from 1970 to 1973.

Once abortion was legalized, she threw her whole life behind promoting abortion. And your argument is, women have agency, women have minds, strong, powerful women, therefore, they should be the only ones making these choices. Abortion is an act of reproduction. Only women can bear babies, and therefore, choice is of a more important value than the life inside the woman's body. Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, you said abortion is an act of reproduction? Direct quote? Yes, I am. Direct quote. I wrote this down.

Abortion is an act of reproduction. So, again, she lost, but she talked about now, she used to have to fight the battle of explaining to people why they shouldn't have more babies because the population bomb, and now she's fighting the battle of pronatalism. Now, people are saying you need to have more babies, and she's like, and they're turning women into machines. So, it's the Gilead handmaid tale. Ah, the handmaid tale, yeah, obviously.

Another one. Oh, I'm Catholic. LOL. I was a nun, and the church will change its teaching, just like limbo. Josh, you'll probably remember this, when back in the day, Catholics would be like, oh, the church is going to change its teaching any moment, because we changed about limbo. She just lied about how that came about. And then she had this long, bizarre thing about men in the audience.

How many of you want to be pregnant? And she kept going on for like three minutes about this. The gavel guy keeps like banging the gavel, and she just keeps... It was bizarre. And then she was questioning Lila. That's probably your best point so far, to be fair. Yeah, like, do men want to be pregnant? It was there. It was there. I mean, yeah. And she's questioning Lila. Her question for Lila was, are you going to tell us what really goes on at pregnancy resource centers or not?

And Lila's like, oh, I'd be happy to tell you what goes on at Pregnancy Resource Centers, and she goes on and on and on, and Frances is like, but are you going to tell them the dark truth? And maybe I'll have to, and it was very, very strange. Stay tuned for my podcast later, I'll tell you. Yeah, her final argument of the night was, and I actually got this in a text from my daughter, who, because we had to leave, it went on and on.

I mean, this went on and on and on. I got this in a text from a homeschool boy who was there. And he wrote, her final argument was, if you are in a burning building and there's a poor family in one room versus a doctor who's about to cure cancer in another, what do you choose?

I will leave you with this. That was it. That was it. Because what it all came down to in the end, for me, her argument for abortion, quote unquote, rights, was this is very, very complicated. No one can really understand this. There is no real answer. Therefore, women should just be able to do whatever they want.

That was it. Can you dig into the fire analogy for me really quick? No, I can't, because that was it. She's like, I will leave you with this. Wait, is that like a version of the train dilemma? Yeah. If you pull the lever, but one has more dignity because of their profession? No, that was it. This is it. And I have to admit, it was kind of like the Joe Biden moment of the pro-choice movement, because she was teetering on the stage, really should not have been like, They should have gotten someone Lila's age to debate Lila.

Lila's argument, on the other hand, was very clear and very concise, as you might expect from her. We should not take innocent human life. Abortion takes an innocent human life. Therefore, we should not abortion. Very clear. She talked about science. She talked about how the powerful have a duty to protect the weak. She talked about how we need to do better for women because it makes no sense that we have the worst maternal mortality rates in the world, in this country, and she tied it directly to abortion.

It was clear. There were statistics. She never, and this was really cool, too. Frances Kissling just couldn't talk enough about how Catholic she was. Lila never mentioned it. She never brought up a religious argument. She never mentioned she's a devout Catholic.

Awesome. It was amazing, and it was really cool. I brought a group of homeschool kids who are in the civics class and the debate club down. There were a bunch of other homeschoolers who showed up. Peter Wolfgang, shout out to Peter Wolfgang. Yeah, what's up? What's up, Peter? Shout out to Tom Wainer of National Catholic Register. He was there as well.

It was amazing, because the way that these debates go. The Yale political union students, they bang on the floor with their, whenever they agree with a point, they bang, bang, bang, bang, bang on the floor with their feet. So, everyone's like, stomp, stomp, stomp. And you hiss, you do the sound when you disagree with something. So, this was loud. This was raucous. This is more like going to, yeah, this is more like going to an English parliament debate than it is to like the United States Congress where no one's reacting at all anyway.

Right, right, right. What I observed was that in front of me were sitting probably two-thirds of the rows, tons of young men. This was a lot of young men here, and overwhelmingly, they voted with their feet, literally, for Lila, and when she would make a point. And behind me, my daughter observed, she was like, why are all the women in the back? A lot of girls sitting along the back wall, a lot of hisses from the back. And I felt like I was living in those reports and polls that we bring to you guys every week.

It was a surreal experience. But again, The fact that it went 60-30 for Lila, something happened. The times, they are changing. I will make one last point here. I know we are at time. The president of the Yale Political Union, young man, he stood up right at the beginning, and he mentioned Charlie Kirk. He said, you know, a week ago, we got this terrible news, and we hadn't solidified this appearance. And Lila said she wasn't going to do this appearance, because she's really cutting back on her travels.

She has three young children at home. She wasn't going to do this, but he said, the morning after Charlie Kirk was shot, I woke up and I had emails from both Kissling's team and Lila Rose's team confirming that they would be here in person on our campus to debate this, probably the hottest topic there is. And he spoke to, look, our role here as the leaders of the Yale Political Union is to make sure that we can keep doing what Charlie was doing when he died.

And it was. It was moving. I don't think his politics are necessarily aligned with Charlie's at all. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, and that was the loudest moment of the night. This was a loud debate. There were stomping everywhere, but this, when he said that, the whole room erupted in the stomping of feet. It was very moving. It was a moving night to be there. I got a sense that there is a great spiritual battle that has just been, like the veil's been torn away for a moment before our eyes, and it was playing out at Yale last night, for sure.

That is considerably better than the Yale debate I attended back in 1999. Which one was that? That is when Peter Singer was on campus. His name came up last night. Interesting. Yeah, he talked about how, like... You know, there is the big debate over partial birth abortions, and he is like, yeah, actually, you know, pro-lifers make the point like, you know, you take the baby out and then you kill it. How is that any different than if you actually give birth to a kid and kill it?

And he goes, the pro-lifers are right to make that point out that, you know. Actually, that is not logically consistent. He goes, but he, in fact, favors killing both. He thinks it's perfectly fine to have him fantasize. And the audience was all for it. So, 26 years ago at Yale, I was just like, wow, this is crazy. I wrote it up for the register. Yeah, that was another bizarre thing, if you don't mind me going a little longer. Yeah, go for it.

That was another really strange thing with Francis Kissling. So, she had in her opening remarks, which went 12 minutes. They were supposed to be five, so this was not even a fair fight. They just let her go. They just let her go off, and it was ridiculous. But anyway, back to her argument. She's saying that, so because this is so complicated, and little people like you can't understand this, men, you can't understand this, women should be able to do whatever they want as long as the child's in their body.

It's a matter of location of the baby. She calls it a baby. Like Singer, she's like, yeah, it's a baby. You kill it. Appreciate the honesty. Yeah, exactly. Appreciate it. And she's like, yeah, at any point. So, then Lila's question to her during the back and forth was, so it's a matter of location. So, at first, she's like, it's a matter of consciousness because a baby in the womb is not conscious. And so, Lila asked her, well, is there a difference then between the legal protections a newborn should enjoy and like a 35-year-old strong, powerful individual?

Okay, so when the baby is inside, is there any difference between a 36-week-old pre-born child, a 22-week-old, or a 12-week-old? She's like, oh, there's a big difference. There's a big difference, because there's the viability thing. And Lana's like, well, but you said it should be for any reason. And she just, By very respectful questions, she was very charitable and presented herself so beautifully, but was able to just expose that there is no consistency, there is no argument. And that was what the high schoolers, I was driving several of them back last night, and they were just like, Listening, and they hadn't really been to this before, right?

These kids are not highly online at all, and so they're not exposed to the rhetoric of the left, and they're like, it seems to me that they were more religious in their, they talked about belief and opinion and feelings a lot, but Lila was the one being like, here's what science tells us. Here's a logical argument. Here are the premises and a conclusion. And they're like, it just seems like, it seems like the people who are living more on faith are on the left than on the right.

That's an astute observation. I mean, often people, abortion is the sacrament of progressives. And like, there's this magical moment where it's suddenly not okay to kill someone. It's magical. It's the magical birth canal, or it's the magical consciousness, or the magical, I feel pain now.

And it's all very amorphous. Yeah, but it was an incredible experience, and shout out to the high schoolers who were there and sort of grappling with this dynamic for the first time. It was a great first for them. I'll sacrifice my twat zone to talk about this. I was a part of a debate club in high school, and it was a really amazing, formative experience for me.

And if you're curious what that does, or what we had to do, it would be a team of two versus another team of two. We had a resolution. You were on the affirmative or negative, and you had to write on the spot an eight-minute speech. Your partner would do an eight-minute speech, three-minute cross-examinations for everyone, and then I believe the final was a six-minute speech. Everyone got to drop a six-minute speech. And yes, you did a lot of preparation, and part of the training was, you know, you need to have Sources.

Those sources needed to be reputable. You need to be able to put together data accurately, and then the other team was looking at everything that you're saying to research what you're going to say beforehand, but if you present something new, to interpret said data, make arguments on behalf of it, so it requires a lot of listening. It's a really cerebral exercise. But funny, above it all, and I think you noticed it, there's people that can be technically good at that type of debate, but the winners of those debates is actually much about...

Perception of how people leave. One thing that I really noticed, and Charlie did a lot of debates, so he understood this, by offering people grace to leave a debate in which you probably win, but you extra won by making people like you, or even people that disagree with you, enjoy you, is the ultimate level of debate. I think Reagan comes up into mind for this. I highly recommend for high schoolers to, if you have this opportunity, I was a part of it.

The name of it was Grace Debate, and so we go across the state and do different debate tournaments. We'd have like three or four in a day. I mean, it was pretty amazing, honestly, and it was really formative for me to go off to college to actually understand how to properly debate, to use logic. It was like you'd win on significance, inherency, or solvency. Just the language of debate, I think now, even when you're talking about it, what was true for most was that people can come to debate, and the problem is that we had this unraveling of what debate actually can be, and then, of course, it descends into...

Violence at a certain point, which a lot of kids in college feel is acceptable to combat people who don't believe in your views. And yeah, there's like a governance and societal response that I believe is necessary to solve that. But at its core, at an individual level, if you do train your children or raise people around you to actually properly engage with ideas you disagree with in a respectful way, in a convincing way, and that leaves people actually liking you, is going to solve all of our problems.

I mean, would solve all of our problems. At least in my Twilight Zone. Oh. Excellent. In other words, don't do what these parents are doing. Okay. Liberal parents are teaching their children to hate. I mean, this video, I can't even believe it, that this happened, and that they actually recorded it, and that they shared it. Here we go. Donald Trump died. They're asking what good news. The second best news. The Vice President died? Okay, third best news. Elon Musk died? Okay, no, no, no, no.

Oh my gosh. Nobody died. My best friend's getting married. Which one is it? Taylor Swift! Taylor Swift and John Kelsey got engaged! Is this parody? Like, what in the world? Is that real? Like, how does this happen? Like, so, you might ask, is this parody? I have no reason to believe that this isn't, this is, I'll take it at face value, but let's say it was done just in jest. Like, you're still getting young children to talk about how it would be good news if the president Vice President or another, you know, figure on the right, Elon Musk isn't even that much of a conservative, died.

Like, really? Yeah. For kids that age, like, if your mom asks you, oh, I have the best news, the first thing they should be thinking about is like, oh, we get to go out for ice cream tonight? Yeah, ice cream, yeah. Or pizza for dinner? Like, that should be the best news for a child. Yeah.

But. I'm surprised she was even comfortable enough with the concept of death at that age for most people. Maybe they don't fully understand it, but... That's not good. Yeah, I don't even know what to say to that, Josh. I mean, this kid's got a tough one in front of him.

Well, I mean, they posted about this. This woman... Um, she actually is a kindergarten teacher. I knew it. I was literally going to predict that. No. Oh, my gosh. Oh, gosh. I wish I was shocked. Yeah, she teaches preschool. Um, you know, again, like, this, we have, you know, yeah, now her TikTok's private.

Again, this is just the case. I mean, to me, this reminds me of in the Middle East, where you have these dads handing like an AK-47 to their kid. Assault rifles to their four-year-olds, right. You're like, what? You're just a little too crazy. Yeah, pray for our country. I think the dad is Lieutenant Colonel Adam Cole, who was assigned to Fort Carson.

He's in the army? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And parents, if you have parent-teacher meetings coming up in the fall, it would not be out of the bounds of reason for you to ask your teachers, how did you react when Charlie Kirk died?

You might be surprised, and it might be an important question. That's nauseating. Yeah, thanks for that, Josh. What? You asked for Twilight Zone, brother. Yeah, that was it. I mean, you delivered. You asked and answered. All right. Erika, you're up. I mean, this seems a little bit like super superficial at this point. Like, here's the Erika. Okay, this is UK update. I'm like speechless. Sorry. Okay, Trump and Melania are there today, and everyone's making many, many comments about They got to ride in the royal carriage, and William and Kate met them, and then presented them to King Charles, and everything seems buddy-buddy, but we also, this last week, had the first royal Catholic funeral mass.

Since Bloody Mary, since the Reformation. This was in Westminster Cathedral, which is the Catholic cathedral in London. People think of St. Paul's, but that's Anglican. And Westminster was the cathedral that was built once Catholics were allowed to, well, be publicly Catholic again, and have a diocese in London. It's a beautiful building. I highly recommend you to go visit it. But this was the death of Catherine Worsley, who was the Duchess of Kent. She had joined the royal family when she married Prince Edward, who was a cousin of the late Queen Elizabeth R.

She converted to Catholicism in 1994. Which was still kind of a, it's like we don't talk about that, you know, kind of thing in British royal society. Later, all of her children also converted to Catholicism, giving up any claim to the throne, because a Catholic still cannot sit upon the throne of England. Right. And her grandchildren have also since been raised Catholic, and many of them are still practicing. So, this was a really neat moment. This was also the first time that the King of England.

And the Prince of Wales had attended a Catholic funeral mass since the Reformation. So, for me, someone who loves English history, I do love the UK, and I wish for England to once again become most itself. It was a neat moment to see that happen. I have visited Westminster Cathedral. Interesting little tidbit. It is also the home, the final resting place of the body of St. John Southworth. And he was a Catholic priest who was martyred. He was hanged, drawn, and quartered at Tyburn in 1654 under Queen Elizabeth I.

It is the only complete body of an English martyr that we have. And yes, it was quartered and parboiled for preservation, but the Spanish ambassador actually paid a ransom for the body. All the other bodies of English martyrs were ground to a pulp and thrown in the Thames because they didn't want us to have relics. They didn't want the church to have any remains. Just another example of the UK being the worst. America's oldest enemy.

Return to your roots. Return to good and merry England. Come on. We go too easy on England, all right? They're our oldest enemy. Don't forget that. But, you know, it is worthy of note that England modified, you know, they passed the Succession to the Crown Act of 2013, not that long ago. They updated the rules, and what they did is eliminated the There is a specific name, the male preference primogeniture, which would mean that if the king of England has his oldest child as a daughter, they would go to the firstborn son rather than the eldest daughter.

They got rid of that, so now it is just the oldest, and if the oldest happens to be a girl, she can be the heir to the throne. They also made it so that... If you're in the line of succession and you marry a Roman Catholic, you're not removed from the succession.

If you're Catholic, you're still not. Yeah. And we pushed for it. Catholic, not really me, but Catholics in England pushed for it. Get rid of that. Get rid of that. And no, no, they refused to do it. Josh, your international presence is growing. You were in Poland. Look, my ancestor was in Parliament when they passed a lot of these laws. So, you could say you're basically responsible for it? I mean, basically. Hey, we all have skeletons in our closets. You go far back enough.

Yeah, you don't have to admit that. 23 and me. Just everyone knows now. Hey, I'm brutally honest, brother. Ain't that the truth, man. Ain't that the truth. Okay, my twat zone, a real twat zone, close to the hometown, Dearborn, Michigan. In the news, Mayor made some comments, and I'll let you see for yourself. I mean, Hezbollah, you know, bombed the embassy in Beirut, including many Americans, so I just feel it's quite inappropriate. You are an Islamophobe, and although you live here, I want you to know as mayor, you are not welcome here.

And the day you move out of the city will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city, because you are not somebody who believes in coexistence. Oh my gosh. All right. That is an elected mayor of Dearborn, Michigan. Yes, a little bit of background.

A little bit of background. Bad. Just all around bad. The governor of Dearborn just told a resident he is no longer welcome there because, or sorry, the mayor, because he objected to naming a street. The signs from Wayne County Place and Warren Avenue after Osama Semblani, longtime Arab American leader, because of his past statements on Middle Eastern groups, including Hezbollah.

And so now, objecting to... I'm just really trying to wrap my mind around this because the guy, even though it's funny, like Fox, I mean, I grew up reading Detroit Free Press. I mean, I'm from the Detroit area, and they were going back through the guy who came up to testify. He's Christian. He actually spent time in the Middle East. He's done different things with Muslims. His accusations of Islamophobia never came true. I mean, they went through all this stuff. There's nothing here.

They're unfounded. I don't... What part of the Constitution can we possibly use to be like, hey, let's not name streets after people not from... Like, how do we even get ourselves in this quandary? And even the fact that now Dearborn, majority Muslim, they have Arabic on the police badges.

All the street signs. I just don't understand. You don't understand. Like, who would even... How do we get out of this? I don't even... Like, this isn't America. Or it is now, but it shouldn't be. I mean, we have people from other countries coming in, becoming mayor, and opposing when you don't want to name after people from other countries, or influences other territories. The objection here is that he gives that you're honoring a person that had said positive things about... Groups like Hezbollah, which have killed Americans.

Yes. That is the objection. It is not that you just happen to be naming it after a foreign-born person who lives in Michigan now. And again, the left never wants to debate. It's not a, well, no, actually, here's why we should still honor this guy, and he distanced himself. No, it's, you're Islamophobic. You're not welcome here. When are Americans in the middle, the moderates, the independents, going to just stop putting up with this garbage, where they're just like, you could just shut down debate by accusing someone of being full of hate.

It's like, I don't know. I think the guy. Who liked Hezbollah was probably full of hate. Call me crazy. That sounds like the problem. Maybe not name a street after him. Right, but I don't think they're, unfortunately, I don't know if there's any solution. Many of the people living in Dearborn are technically Americans. They're legally Americans. They voted for someone who just is now not welcoming a member of the city. In terms of long-term answer, it's, I honestly think we should repeal the...

The Heller Act of 65, and get back to prioritizing in immigration those who come from Western European countries that have the same sort of rule of law, the same sort of beliefs and civilization, and people who come from other countries, like especially the Middle East, who don't share that same traditions, especially, I mean, again.

Islam, Islamic people, when they're a minority, are not usually a problem. It's when they become a majority that there's a problem. And so, I would just prefer no more migration of it. And like, look, if they want to start voting for pro-life candidates, I like it. Sure, fine. But yeah, their history has been one that is very, and it's not even long-term history. I'm not talking about the 800s. I'm talking about, like, the 1980s. Right. I know people that are, I grew up around peaceful Muslims, like, good people.

Of course. I'm not even someone who's... I think some people probably genuinely are Islamophobic or scared of Arabs in general, have been propagandized. So, I guess the way that I see this is we have an unfortunate habit of bombing regimes in the Middle East and causing chaos, which then leads to refugees, which then leads to refugees ending up in our country. These people that maybe didn't even intend to end up here or didn't want to come here, whose cultures and... Religions are incompatible with American society before.

Right, and I don't have a problem with, like, Chaldean Christians. I don't have a problem with, you know, people, Jewish people, Israel coming. You know, it's not a race, ethnicity question for me. The question is, Again, there are sections of the Islamic movement which seem to be incompatible with what we generally call a, quote, liberal society, where you believe in freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and allow toleration of different religions. There is a pretty radical sect in Islam that does not allow for that, that does not think that.

They just think you are infidels, and when we get power, we are going to do what that mayor is doing. You're not welcome here, Steve. Like, bro, what is with you? Right. That is not. Our experience. I mean, this is going to sound a little naive, but I think what we need are several new St. Bonifaces to just make it their project to go into places like Dearborn, Michigan, and just start preaching. Like, just get, we have to convert them to Christianity.

They must be shown the truth. That is, because, again, like, we can go back and be like, well, we shouldn't have let them in. We shouldn't have bombed this country. But the fact is, Dearborn is here. It has been, like, it is majority Muslim, and so the only way forward is to convert them, right, to bring them to Jesus Christ. And, yeah, this is like, I'm thinking like a 100, 150-year project. It's going to be tough. It is. But, you know, what could happen is people go and they start preaching in public spaces.

The town, like, makes a law that you're not allowed to say certain things, and then you can go in and sue the pants. For being unconstitutional and violating the Constitution. So, there could be that as well, as like a more near-term thing, but we have to, people have to get in there and actually start presenting another argument to these people. We're dealing with this, like this.

We don't deal with nearly the level that the UK or the EU deals with in terms of this, but they're intimately familiar. I mean, you saw the protests going on in England. That's just a matter of numbers, right? Exactly, right, and it's a matter of numbers. And I'm like, but stuff like this in Dearborn, it's like, uh-oh. You know, like, okay, this is going on to an extent in our own country, in our backyard. Like, we like to point at England and be like, you can't control it.

It's so bad. You're just letting people in willy-nilly, and then, you know, Sharia laws enact whatever. I mean, we have Minneapolis. We have Dearborn. I mean, we have places where there's just, like, cultures operating at parallel to each other. Yeah, and I mean, I hand it to this guy. What was the name of the man who stood up, the Christian man, who was, like, you know? Yeah, I forget his name. Whoever that is, every single one of his friends should show up at the next meeting.

And make the same point and say, this was unacceptable. And yeah, you, Mr. Mayor, were elected by a majority of residents here, but we want you to know that there is a very vocal minority, and we are not going to stand for this. Like, every single person who is even slightly disturbed who lives in Dearborn, they've got to start showing up. You can't be a silent minority. You can't be a silent majority anymore. That's the lesson of the last week in American history.

I still want to... Paint a picture that the greatest, you know, quote, threat to our politics still, in Michigan even, let us say, is not the Muslims in Dearborn, just so people do not misunderstand me. It is the white liberal women who are fanatical in their support of abortion and transgender stuff. They are still the biggest threat, and I do not mean threat like they need to be neutralized. I mean, they need to be opposed. They need to be defeated. But I still, you know, Gretchen Whitmer and all the white liberal women in my state who support the radical trans agenda and abortion at every turn, that still remains the number one problem.

This guy on the mic, the last thing he said after this was, God bless you. And then the mayor basically was like, you want me to burn, according to religion, I'd burn in hell, and still started kind of trash-talking him on his way out. I mean, but same-sies, though, so, I mean, like, it's so bizarre. I don't understand why that's such a good argument, like what Muslims don't believe that Christians, you know, suffer eternal damnation.

Yeah, I don't know. Clearly, at this point, to me, a problem. If you have someone that is now saying you're not welcome in this country, or in my city, to someone who disagrees, and he's not doing anything radical, he's not doing anything crazy, he's just saying, I don't think we should name a street sign after someone that sympathizes with terror. But these are other countries' problems. Why are we naming someone from the Middle East?

Naming a street sign outside of Detroit. Can't we just keep it in our own borders? This, to me, is just a problem of the multiculturalism, like mass immigration. It destabilizes the population. There's no national identity. There's no unity. We all just live like this salad, where there's pockets of different cultures, and they don't assimilate. This isn't the first time America's dealt with this. Back when the Irish came in, and the Polish came in, they all stuck to their own, but eventually, they all kind of assimilated over time.

And then we just opened it back up and we've kind of brought ourselves back to the same problem, but with a new flavor, like with the new Islamic flavor that comes from people in the Middle East. And it's like, I seriously don't have an answer to this. And it disturbs me that this just happened. And I have a feeling we're going to see more of this.

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